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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 1:53 pm    Post subject: phpbb Moderation Reply with quote

I can't seem to find where in the phpbb admin you assign moderators to forums. Can you help me with that Dave?
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Under {User Admin} {Permissions} -Dave
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Under {User Admin} {Permissions} -Dave


I've looked at every screen in the three "permissions" areas and none of them make a bit of sense to me. They have to do with "authorization levels" and aparently have a huge number of "choices" none of which seems to be what I'm looking for. Maybe "moderate" has a whole new meaning here. In Yahoo, the entire forum is either "moderated" or it is not. "Moderated" means each post has to be approved by a designated "moderator" before it is posted. If the forum is not moderated, the posts go through without approval. What I'm trying to find here in phpbb is how to designate a specific moderator to a specific forum, and how to designate that forum as "moderated." Maybe I've missed it because I don't understand what I have seen here, or maybe "moderate" means something altogether different here. BTW Are there any instructions anywhere in phpbb for administrators? Also, what is a "usergroup" in phpbb? -Howard
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 7:21 am    Post subject: more Reply with quote

When you go to each forum so you can see a list of topics within that forum, at the top is says "Moderators - none." I would think that that would be where the moderator for that forum would be named. Do you know specifically how to get someones name to appear there? If we could do that, we could see how that forum might be diferent or what "moderate" means in phpbb. -Howard
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At the very bottom of a forum page, there is a link that says "you can moderate this forum." I thought at first that that might be the key to putting the forum on "moderate," but it leads to another screen tha I don't understand having to with "lock, unlock, split, and deleting the forum." I tried "lock" but that brought up some more things that I've now forgotten but that I didn't understand.

This is another area that seems that the more I investigate, the deeper the confusion gets!

Maybe we won't need any moderation here. I'd like to just let them run wild anyway! And maybe we're far enough removed from Esscapees surveillance here to do just that.

-Howard
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Maybe I've missed it because I don't understand what I have seen here, or maybe "moderate" means something altogether different here. BTW Are there any instructions anywhere in phpbb for administrators? Also, what is a "usergroup" in phpbb?

Probably the very first thing you should have done is what we wish users would do; read the FAQ via the link at the top! You need to be intimately familiar with it so you can point to it for user inquires when they didn’t RTFM. Next, I guess I shouldn’t have presumed that you would have looked to the phpbb site for the documentation. The user manual is at: http://www.phpbb.com/support/documentation/2.0/ Most all of your questions here are answered in that document. Other useful help, including access to the knowledge base, is available at http://www.phpbb.com/support/

This is what I meant about playing and becoming familiar with the software. Of course, if you don’t fully grasp the big picture, it is easy to get lost in the weeds when trying to do something you don’t even understand why you need to do it. Read the FAQ and the support doc cover to cover first. Then drill down into things here where you cannot hurt anything. Had you gone further with the {user admin} {permissions} and actually pulled up a user to edit his permissions, you would have seen where you could assign him moderator status on forums or groups.

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At the very bottom of a forum page, there is a link that says "you can moderate this forum."

That is because as administrator, you automatically have “moderator” rights on any forum. Again, I suggest registering some pseudo users, which you can log in as and see what is different for a user. Then, you can make one a moderator and see what that changes for him. Now is your chance to do all of that without messing anything up with the real database once you go live.

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This is another area that seems that the more I investigate, the deeper the confusion gets!

Once you read the documentation and get the big picture, it will all make sense.

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Maybe we won't need any moderation here. I'd like to just let them run wild anyway! And maybe we're far enough removed from Esscapees surveillance here to do just that.

These are important issues, and need to be decided before you go live. I will e-mail my response to them. -Dave
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. I read the FAQ's when I first configured it. I just scanned the User Guide and I'm in the process of printing it. It looks pretty good.

I'm almost relieved to see that it doesn't look like the before-the-post moderation is even available with phpbb. I've been dreading it. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Howard wrote:
I'm almost relieved to see that it doesn't look like the before-the-post moderation is even available with phpbb. I've been dreading it. Smile

Agreed. The beauty of the bb is that moderators can establish individual rules for decorum and topics for discussion for their forums. Then, if someone violates them, they can be warned. If they persist, they can have their posting privileges suspended from that forum or group without having to excommunicate them from the BOF completely, which has its own risks. They can rant and complain all they want in the other free-for-all forums without disturbing those uninterested in their agenda. -Dave
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And more who could and clearly should;
"Believe" or "feel" and won’t.
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Howard wrote:
Our conversation started with me trying to think of how I could control…

You really need to work on that. Marilyn must be a saint to be able to live with you. Wink
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I also think people will be more polite it they don't have anonimity.

This is your most powerful argument.
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(St.) Marilyn likes the catchy handles people dream up and doesn't like being "controlled." It's too "big-brotherish" for her.

She is right, of course.
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She did finally agree that it would be okay if you could go to her profile to see who she is as long as she can use a handle other than her name on the forum.

A reasonable compromise. Another alternative would be to require one’s real name (and perhaps SKP #) in the “signature block” as most posters to the SKP forums do (along with way more information regarding their choice of vehicles than I ever wanted to know).
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What do you think about the idea? And about the feasability of enforcing at least the use of the name that users sign up with? -Howard

Kidding aside, there is merit to both of your positions. I would definitely disallow total anonymity for both the comity issue you raised above, and the fact that we are supposed to be a social organization, which I would encourage become more of a focus. On the other hand, the perception of your need for control has a chilling effect on adults. Remember how poorly your announcement about moderating was received after my flame out? How about the "h8 Evil or Very Mad speech" thing with Pamela? When one isn’t free to speak one’s mind, there is a tendency to decide not to speak at all. Few are ready for "big brother."

*****Good grief, big brother!! I just wasted ten or fifteen minutes trying to figure out why the word haate wasn't coming out between the quotes above, before it dawned on me that you have been playing with the "banned words" section!!!! ***** Well, it works, and you are an evil moderator indeed. I hait it when you do that. Twisted Evil

No one can even get inside the members’ area that doesn’t belong there, unless someone shares their login data with an outsider. I would make it clear that we are a private club of friends who trust each other, and make it a condition of membership that everyone’s full name, skp # and private e-mail address would be available to all members in the membership roster. Therefore, everyone is expected to keep their key to the clubhouse to themselves and not share it with outsiders. Anyone not willing to share such information with each other, probably doesn’t have the right motive for joining our family to begin with, and should be rejected before ever being allowed to join.

As for the screen names vs. real names issue, I offer one other option. The software allows unlimited “special ranks.” On my own board, I have created a special rank of “Howard Replogle” and assigned it to user “Howard” only. You can view the results by looking at your post at: http://www.thoughtsaloud.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=23#23 Instead of allowing folks to register themselves, part of the joining process could be for you to ask what they preferred for a screen name on the forum. Tell them their real name would also be displayed, but some have pet screen names they also want to use. Then, you set them up an account (assigning their real name as their “rank”) and give them an initial pw (which they can change) and ask them to fill in the rest of their data in the “Profile” link. The {Register} link can be easily hacked right out of the header, and no one need know that the option to self-register ever existed (unless they are familiar with phpbb).

The process could be reversed. You could set up their username as their real name, and put their screen name as the “rank.” Although the font size would deemphasize the cute screen name, it would have the advantage of being able to be changed (if they said please) if someday they thought up a cleverer name, and be longer (I would choose “Contumacious Curmudgeon,” which I have frequently used elsewhere). In fact, as an exercise, assign me that rank, you papa turtle, and Marilyn mama turtle, just to see what it would look like. -Dave
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And more who could and clearly should;
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’m not familiar at all with this due to my nearly complete lack of experience as a user of forums. On my first reading of your ideas below I was completely lost. I’ll keep trying to understand though.

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What do you think about the idea? And about the feasability of enforcing at least the use of the name that users sign up with? -Howard


Kidding aside, there is merit to both of your positions. I would definitely disallow total anonymity for both the comity issue you raised above, and the fact that we are supposed to be a social organization, which I would encourage become more of a focus. On the other hand, the perception of your need for control has a chilling effect on adults. Remember how poorly your announcement about moderating was received after my flame out?

I’m not so sure about that. There were two or three public negative responses, and two or three private positive responses. But the vast majority were silent. I in fact prefer not to censor.

How about the "h8 Evil or Very Mad speech" thing with Pamela? When one isn’t free to speak one’s mind, there is a tendency to decide not to speak at all. Few are ready for "big brother."

*****Good grief, big brother!! I just wasted ten or fifteen minutes trying to figure out why the word haate wasn't coming out between the quotes above, before it dawned on me that you have been playing with the "banned words" section!!!! ***** Well, it works, and you are an evil moderator indeed. I hait it when you do that. Twisted Evil

Sorry. I was “playing” with the forum as you have often encouraged. I forgot that I did that because I hadn’t said hate myself.

No one can even get inside the members’ area that doesn’t belong there, unless someone shares their login data with an outsider.

As I’ve said ad nauseum, ANYONE can get into the members area by simply joining Escapees and asking to be a member. The purpose of the whole password and membership concept is to keep a semblance of order and exclusivity. It’s like the lock on the door of a house with windows. Anyone with a brick can break in.


I would make it clear that we are a private club of friends who trust each other, and make it a condition of membership that everyone’s full name, skp # and private e-mail address would be available to all members in the membership roster.

I agree except that I slightly sympathize with those not ready to publicly admit to cavorting with the likes of us. And it’s more “control” that some may object to.

Therefore, everyone is expected to keep their key to the clubhouse to themselves and not share it with outsiders. Anyone not willing to share such information with each other, probably doesn’t have the right motive for joining our family to begin with, and should be rejected before ever being allowed to join.

But how can they be identified? It’s like the question, “Are you a liar?” Any reply is meaningless. Which reminds me of one of my favorite riddles:

You are captive in a cell with two guards. One guard always lies, the other guard always tells the truth. There are two doors in the room. One door leads to freedom, the other to death. You are allowed one question to one of the guards. What is your question?

As for the screen names vs. real names issue, I offer one other option. The software allows unlimited “special ranks.” On my own board, I have created a special rank of “Howard Replogle” and assigned it to user “Howard” only. You can view the results by looking at your post at: http://www.thoughtsaloud.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=23#23 Instead of allowing folks to register themselves, part of the joining process could be for you to ask what they preferred for a screen name on the forum. Tell them their real name would also be displayed, but some have pet screen names they also want to use. Then, you set them up an account (assigning their real name as their “rank”) and give them an initial pw (which they can change) and ask them to fill in the rest of their data in the “Profile” link. The {Register} link can be easily hacked right out of the header, and no one need know that the option to self-register ever existed (unless they are familiar with phpbb).

The process could be reversed. You could set up their username as their real name, and put their screen name as the “rank.” Although the font size would deemphasize the cute screen name, it would have the advantage of being able to be changed (if they said please) if someday they thought up a cleverer name, and be longer (I would choose “Contumacious Curmudgeon,” which I have frequently used elsewhere). In fact, as an exercise, assign me that rank, you papa turtle, and Marilyn mama turtle, just to see what it would look like. -Dave[/quote]

This is where I’m a bit confused. I’ll read your post a few more times and try to understand how I could work this. -Howard
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